1. Conn Clarinet Serial Number List
  2. Conn Clarinet Serial Numbers
  3. Conn Clarinet Serial Number List

Here are a couple of tables to help you out. The accuracy isn't guaranteed, but it should be a good start.

Locate King instrument serial numbers. Date: Serial Number: 1883-1915: 1 - 50,000: 1915-1925: 50,000 - 78,000: 1925-1930: 78,001 - 128,000.

Instruments manufactured after 1936 range in serial number from 1350-3600. The log book shows the serial numbers jumping around quite a bit for the Selmer/Adolphe Sax saxophones. Even so, its possible from this record to assemble a basic serial number chart for these instruments. Some instruments were stamped H. Selmer and some were not. Full Serial Number Chart; Conn Serial Number Ranges By Model. Model: Start # End # Worcester: 1 (1888) 3,200 (1898) Wonder Improved: unknown (1895) 41,000 (1917) New. Stencil serial numbers starting with a P APPEAR to be +50,000 off on the Conn serial number chart for split bell key horns (i.e. A s/n P2xxx horn. According to a Conn s/n chart, 52,000 was made in 1919) and appears to be at least 200,000 off for LH bell key horns. Conn stencil model names are NOT consistent. Conn instrument serial numbers. Conn Cup Mouthpiece Instruments 1973 - present: Date: Serial # 1973: ga30000: 1974.

Other Clarinets

From Dave Surber of Leblanc:

'Interested individuals may contact Leblanc's customer service department who will do their best to help them with as much information as we have available. However our records are only available from 1964 to the present.

We have limited records available to us and we do our best to provide as accurate information as we have. Unfortunately our serial numbering system and records were not set up for ease in locating this information.

We currently manufacture or distribute several brands of wind instruments. Each one of these lines has numerous models of instruments and unfortunately in some cases each model has its own series of serial numbers. These series of numbers have not been maintained in separate lists but are recorded together in our sales records that begin in 1964. It can take a considerable amount of time to locate a particular serial number if we do not have any idea of the model or when it was originally sold.

Individuals reselling used instruments should be responsible for supplying details of the original purchase ie: warranty registration documents or sales receipt information which would confirm the model and serial number of the instrument and the date it was originally purchased.

There is a Blue Book for Musical Instruments Published by Orion Research that is available to determine the value of many used instruments on the market today. Their web site is http://www.orionbluebook.com/

For appraisal of vintage instruments or historical information you may wish to contact the Shrine to Music Museum at The University of South Dakota in Vermillion. They may be able to provide you with a list of licensed qualified appraisers who specialize in different areas ie: strings, winds, keyboard, primitive etc..

We suggest you contact your local music dealer if you have further questions about purchasing or selling an instrument.

Conn Clarinet Serial Number List

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Thank You,
Leblanc Service Dept.'

If worst comes to worst you could try to contact the manufacturer. You can find contact information in the Retail section of these pages.

Conn Clarinet Serial Number List
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Conn Names, Letters and Numbers
Model Names/Numbers :: ... And, on the Back of the Horn ...

Conn Clarinet Serial Numbers

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Model Names/Numbers
Pitch
Model Number
New Wonder C Soprano
C
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High
3M
New Wonder/Transitional/Artist Curved Bb Soprano
Bb
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High
5M
New Wonder/Transitional/Artist Alto
Eb
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High
7M
New Wonder/Transitional/Artist C Melody Tenor
C
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High
9M
New Wonder/Transitional/Artist Tenor
Bb
.
High
11M
Model number recycled for the Artist low A baritone.
Low
11M
New Wonder/Transitional/Artist Baritone
Eb
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High
13M
Model number recently recycled for a new 'pro' low A baritone.
Low
14M
New Wonder/Transitional/Artist Bass
Bb
May not be an actual model.
Low
14M
Director Tenor
Bb
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Low
16V
New Wonder Straight Bb Soprano
Bb
Model number recycled for the Director 18M student alto in the 1980's.
High
19M
New Wonder Eb Sopranino
Eb
Model number recycled in late 1980's as a student alto.
High
21M
Probable model number. Model number recycled in 1990's as a student alto.
Low
22M
New Wonder F Mezzo Soprano
F
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Low
26M
Connstellation Alto
Eb
'29M' is probably the model number that would have been used for the planned Connstellation tenor, but this horn was never built.
Low
30M
Director Alto
Eb
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Low
16M
Pan American
Add 50 to a standard model number (e.g. '56M' is an alto, '60M' is a tenor, etc.)
Low
94M
DJH Modified Intermediate Tenor
Bb
Probable model number. Haven't seen one.
Low
108M
DJH Modified Pro Tenor
Bb
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Notes:
Conn started referring to horns by model number after Carl Greenleaf bought the company in 1915 (the practice probably started in 1922). There is some dispute as to when the model numbers (i.e. '6m', etc.) started appearing on horns, however. This appears to be as late at the early 1940's, but I believe this practice started around 1935 with the introduction of the Artist ('Naked Lady') horns.

As noted, Conn recycled their model numbers more than once. They also did the same with serial numbers in 1976 -- and some serial numbers on Conn's lesser models (i.e. student horns) in the mid 1960's to 1980's had unique serial numbers that have not yet been charted. Thes horns also tend to bear interesting model numbers (18M, 50M, etc.). Most or all of them were produced in Nogales.
Pan American horns, as with most stencils and second-line models, have their own, unique serial number chart.

I believe '1M' never was introduced as a model number. Odd numbers referred to a HIGH PITCH model, in most cases, though.

Finally, I'm asked often about serial number and model charts for Conn stencil horns: there are no official charts for either. Stencil serial numbers starting with a P APPEAR to be +50,000 off on the Conn serial number chart for split bell key horns (i.e. a s/n P2xxx horn. 50,000+2000=52,000. According to a Conn s/n chart, 52,000 was made in 1919) and appears to be at least 200,000 off for LH bell key horns.

Conn stencil model names are NOT consistent. Stencils were not exclusively made by one company, but by either the lowest bidder or whomever had the best relationship with the storefront. So, for example, Lyon & Healy horns were made by Buescher, Martin, Conn and Holton at different times. This is probably part of why there is no stencil serial number chart.

Click HERE for my in-depth article on stencils and HERE for my in-depth article on low v. high pitch.

Conn Clarinet Serial Number List

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... And, on the Back of the Horn ...

Your standard Conn has the following engraved on the back, near the thumb rest:

As an example, of course.
* The date and 1119954 refer to the Haynes tonehole patent. This was on most pro Conns from 1914-ish to 1960-ish.
* The letter 'T' means 'tenor' (A=alto, S=soprano, C=C instrument, etc.). This was later simplified to B, for Bb instruments and E, for Eb instruments, so if your horn has a 'B' on it, you may have a tenor, baritone or bass.
* The 'M' just means 'saxophone'. The number that follows is the actual serial number (in this example, 205183 -- which corresponds to 1927).
* 'L' means 'low pitch', i.e. standard, everyday A=440hz. If the horn says 'H' you've got a high pitch horn, A=457hz.

There have also been a few other numbers and letters found on some horns:
* 'Model VIII': this refers to a 6M with a modified neck. These horns are allegedly the best playing 6M's.
* 'X' after a serial number: no one is 100% certian what this refers to, but it appears to mean 'eXperimental'. These horns may have additional octave vents, additional keywork or a modified neck.
* The following letters preceding the serial number and the horn DOESN'T have split bell keys: C, E, H, K, L, M, N, P, R. These horns were manufactured from 1963 to 1972. The letter is part of the serial number.
* A letter after the serial number and the number has (generally) less than six digits: the horn is an intermediate or student model manufactured from 1963 to 1980 (or so). There is no available serial number chart for these horns.
* 'METRO' (generally on the neck): a modified neck design. This is sometimes an overslung octave key on a 6M/New Wonder horn and is occasionally referred to as a 'New York style' neck.
* 'P' preceding a serial number: this means 'a Conn-made horn, but not our pro line'. This is generally found on Conn stencils, but is also found on the Conn Liberty and other Conn-labelled horns. I think it can be reduced to, even, 'this horn was made with older tooling' or 'this horn doesn't have rolled tone holes'. I had though that 'P' indicated that a different tone-hole layout patent was used (other than the Haynes one), but that theory has proven to be incorrect (in other words, 'P' does not = 'Pan American Style').
Older Conns also tend to have union labels engraved. Some have the engraver's name on the bell, body or even under a key!

Finally, a rare instance noted by Paul Cohen:in the May/June 1997 issue of the Saxophone Journal: occasionally Evette & Schaeffer contrabasses were stamped with the Conn name to get around import duties (Conn themselves never produced contrabasses). I've proven the converse of this: I've found a Conn Wonder alto with the Evette & Schaeffer name, Carl Fischer importer engraving and Evette & Schaeffer serial number. It's freaky. Check it out!

Conn Clarinet Serial Number List. .